Sorry for posting this on the list, but I am too busy trying to bring up my homegrown ids to answer everyone who asked individually. Pingware - commercial product June Raplph, Bellcore ralph1@bae.bellcore.com or ralph1@cc.bellcore.com ISS - commercial version Christopher Klaus, Internet Security Systems cklaus@iss.net We use whatever we can get our hands on, and if there are products competing with these two, please let me know at adamsb@un.org Hog Farmer Tropical Hog Improvement Programme > Everything I needed to know about life, I learned from a pig < P.S. Totally irrelevant: February 27 PC Week carries a beautiful two page ad of pigs with wings, after page 17. free. ... > Christopher William Klaus Voice: (404)441-2531 > Fax: (404)441-2431 Internet Security Systems, Inc. > Computer Security Consulting 2000 Miller Court West, > Norcross, GA 30071 True. Hog Farmer