Hello, Good observation. Regarding the "freedom fighters" comment, a significant minority already hold that belief. Despite the ideal, however, certain information must be safeguarded regardless of the hackers' political beliefs. Another comment: You realize that the IDS community has the media, the technology, and the money on it's side to, well, keep people out. The hacker community has, er, incentive. I'm avoiding any mention of intelligence here, but am I missing something? Yours, Joce M. A. "The scattered dreams of yesterday Are the hopes of our tomorrows..."