The element of motivation is important to this thread. The same idea of small against big that led a (young unwise) hacker to rip-off a large corporation could inspire a suite of security tools to help small time internet publishers defend their pages. On the other hand an ex-hacker might find themselves forced to choose between ideals and job if they were asked to provide technical backup for a prosecution. So choose your career or employees carefully. ( Would some anarchistically-inclined group like to better integrate PGP into mail packages? The more it is used the harder it will be to eliminate. ) Pardon me for extending this thread further but it has thrown up more interesting debate than I gave it credit for at first. Says Saadi in the Gulistan, "Three things lack Permanence: - Power without justice - Wealth without trading - Learning without disputation" michaelj