Normally I don't get that involved in the discussions here, not that I don't want to but I just lack a great deal of time. However, in this case I agree with Spaf, I signed on to this list to learn and discuss intrusion detection, not to debate someones morality. That's not for me or anyone else to decide. Leave those kinds of topics to Jenny Jones and the other purience purveyors. So, can we talk about Tivoli Sentry? Has anyone used it for intrusion detection? Rob Parker [Quoted Article Deleted - RuF]