Started in computing in 1972, been on the internet since 1978, went through the TCP transition (from NCP) while at SRI International, graduated from IMP's to Cisco routers when they first came out, ported NFS with Sun while I was at Pyramid Technology in 1984, had another brush with NFS porting it to MacOS in 1988 (legal differences between Apple/Sun killed that puppy), ported Synoptics Lattisnet SNMP management tools from SunOS/Openwin to Motif on Ultrix, AIX, HPUX, and A/UX in 1990, since then have been setting up large/medium/small companies on the Internet, and more recently have been setting up new ISP's. All this time I have known about most of the UNIX/IP security holes, announced or not, and have recently enjoyed watching people pull their heads out of the sand and look around at the problems with IP that have been with us from the start. We were doing ICMP bombing (among other things) in 1981 just to test (break) reference implementations of IP, over-running buffers to predictably trash IP implementations, set up logging and intrusion code in the kernel and system utilities (we had UNIX source), and generally have a blast. Not much has changed over the years except that more and more people without a clue as to the vunerabilities of their network connection attach themselves, and therefore all that is their company, to an actively curious world. So, what are we doing here anyway? ;) Scott