Greetings (Last time I heard that was from the Draft Board ) I am the Unclassified Computer Security Coordinator at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory at Livermore ( Just across the bay from San Francisco and over the hill from Oakland ) California. I guess I'm still a student because everyday I learn something new about intruders and system administration or lack thereof. I echo David Wiseman's about wide-awake sysadmins. Unfortunately there are still some out there who either haven't a clue what's happening on the net, or perhaps figure the accident will always happen to someone else and they needn't wear seatbelts. I'm very interested in automated tools especially for Macs and Unix and their associated networks. More importantly, heads up warnings to new attacks on routers and the net in general. frank \ | / _____________________________________________________ | 0 0 | Frank Swift L-321 (510)-422-1463 ~^~ LLNL 7000 East Avenue ( fax) 423-0913 \O/ Livermore CA 94550-9516_____________uncl@llnl.gov_________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ THE WORLD IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE STORMS YOU ENCOUNTERED, BUT WHETHER YOU BROUGHT IN THE SHIP . @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@