Hi, This thread is probably out of place, but since the subject has already been broached: I think there is movement towards "certified" engineers (e.g. CNE). Locally we have been talking about a need for CSEs (Certified Security Engineers). I think this interest in Computer Security curriculums at the university level may be in response to pressure from the government (as a customer for computer systems with increased requirements for security) to certify and accredit their systems. I think it's a good move. I would be interested in thoughts on this topic. Is there a need for CSEs? How would the certification be done? Would the certification be general (security concepts) or specific (kerberos certified)? and the like. Thanks Jim Truitt