Jim Truitt wrote this... > > Hi, > > This thread is probably out of place, but since the subject has > already been broached: > > I think there is movement towards "certified" engineers (e.g. CNE). > > Locally we have been talking about a need for CSEs (Certified > Security Engineers). > > I think this interest in Computer Security curriculums at the > university level may be in response to pressure from the government (as > a customer for computer systems with increased requirements for > security) to certify and accredit their systems. > > I think it's a good move. > > I would be interested in thoughts on this topic. > > Is there a need for CSEs? > How would the certification be done? > Would the certification be general (security concepts) or specific > (kerberos certified)? > > and the like. > > Thanks > Jim Truitt > I think (IMHO ofcourse) that having certified personel is a good thing, but their expertese will normally be dependant on how good the certification is (ie how good the certification program is will determine how good the personnel are that are certified (for the most case, there are exceptions)). i think its a little too early in the computer security game to have people certified for one system or another. i think the best setup would be like a normal university degree, ie core subjects with a certain number of elective subjects requiring a major. core subjects would include (encryption, monitoring/logging, network security theory, operating system security theory etc et al). the elective subjects would include things of more esoteric nature, and more practical nature (ie UNIX system security, Ethernet secrity, etc et al). of course some of these subjects are rather limited right now, but they could either be beefed up, or combined with other related subjects. given this frame work i think there is enough to learn about computer security out there to easily encompass a 3/4 year university degree. My $0.02 worth... Matt -- Matthew Keenan Systems Programmer Information Technology Division University of Technology Sydney Australia www: http://milliways.itd.uts.edu.au/~matt/ email: matt@uts.edu.au phone: +61 2 330 1390 "Don't murder a man who is about fax: +61 2 330 1999 to commit suicide." home: +61 2 416 5722 -- Machiavelli GCV 2.1 GAT/M/CS d--(-+) H-- s++:-- g+ p? !au a-(?) w+++ v+ C+++$ UVS++++$ P+>+++ L- 3+++ E-(++) N++ K W--- M+ V-- -po+(+) Y+ t+ !5>++ jx R+ G? !tv b+++ D++ B e+ u--(**) h- f+(*) r n- !y